Features Q&A and Interviews Published 16 December 2014

Possible Impossibilities

Exeunt speaks to Forced Entertainment's Tim Etchells about making the company's first children’s show, The Possible Impossible House, in collaboration with visual artist Vlatka Horvat.
Alice Saville

Forced Entertainment have been making experimental performance work since 1984. But behind the forbidding impression this opening sentence creates, there’s plenty of joy, messiness and imagination that’s ready to be injected into the new territory of making work for children.

As Tim Etchells explains, “the impulse to make something for kids has been there for a long time, since different people in the company have had kids. Once the kids started to arrive you see the influence of that on the work; props or songs or story structures or images that belong in children’s stories kept creeping in.” Now, they’re letting these influences in through the front door, by collaborating with Vlatka Horvat to explore the idea of a house where “things would happen in different ways or strange things that would happen.” I wondered if it was influenced by 1927’s The Animals And Children Took To The Streets, and Etchell’s cites “a big endless list of children’s books that use the device of a familiar environment that has somehow been transformed or is transforming. There was an inkling we’d access that sort of magical territory through Vlatka Horvat’s work.” Known for her installations, here she makes surreal, melancholy collages which spring from the pages of a girl’s algebra book.

Where 1927’s impossible apartment block populated a vast stage, this piece “uses projection, but not in a spectacular full screen way. We’re making quite small projections on bits of cardboard that performers are holding, with objects that you observe or strange characters you meet. You might look over at the corner of the room and there on the cardboard appears a drawing of a mouse, or a soldier.” Etchells is intrigued by  the way that “those homemade, rather chaotic things produce something magical and you’re transported to a different place. It’s this doubleness of theatre’s ordinariness and everyday qualities, and its extraordinary capacity to summon other worlds, narratives and stories .”

There’s more chaos on hand from comically inappropriate sound effects and disagreements between performers about how things should work. As Etchells notes, “we’re often interested in narrative – how it goes wrong, how it gets interrupted, how digressions work, how stories are constructed – and you can see that here. It both is a story, but also a subversion of a story, and a digression and set of confusions about the story.”

Just as Forced Entertainment’s Alice-in-Wonderland layers of ideas can slot neatly into the language of children’s theatre, children’s language can broach and make sense of its adults’ performances, too. Exeunt writer Alex Chisholm streamed Quizoola with her 3 year old twins; “If you’ve not watched a Forced Ents show in the company of small children I thoroughly recommend it – it’s even more entertaining than Twitter. This brought out to me just how much of my normal home life resembles Quizoola”. Tim Etchells laughs, and tells me that “ever since we mentioned to people we’re making a show for children people are endlessly saying to us do something like Quizoola. Aside from the occasional expletive adults-only content, the energy of those pieces and the freedom and the theatrical playfulness is something children really like. The Ruhrtriennale had a children’s jury who came to see all the shows, and invented and gave out prizes. We won craziest music, costumes, and story. I was just happy not to get the prize for the one that sent them to sleep most quickly.”

You can see why he’d be relieved: Forced Entertainment is well known for its durational performances which stretch up to 24 hours. Speak Bitterness is a catalogue of confessions, personal and historical, shared by performers in tones that range from accusing to confiding to a politician’s smooth reeling. Veteran format Quizoola has the performers constantly asking and answering each others’ questions for either six or 24 hours. The company has been making these performances for decades, but they’ve had a sip of throat-clearing, voice-amplifying water thanks to the power of online streaming. The company  streamed its first show online in 2008 (Speak Bitterness from Essen, Germany) then returned to the idea last year after a long hiatus with four online performances each year. Etchells explains that “we’ve really managed to build an audience; they’re sort of like sporting events, sort of like unfolding news. No one knows what’s going to happen, it’s all tumbling in the moment, it makes for a good online conversation.”

The Possible Impossible House

The Possible Impossible House

They lend themselves to multi-tab, distracted internet watching too, as “they’re events that have always had that aspect of an audience able to come and go, get some food bar, they benefit from that slightly dispersed drop in, drop out sense of audience.” He explains that “in our durational work we’ve focused a lot on game-like structures that are very easy to grasp and involve a kind of live, playful energy. Every one of them has a very simple structure, so you can watch five minutes and know exactly what it is. We’ve thought about it like that since 1991 or 1992, because it allows people to come in and enter them imaginatively very quickly.”

I wondered out loud about whether there was a best time to watch or stop watching, and asked how difficult it was to let go of worrying about control over an individual viewer’s experience. Etchells finds that “you completely abandon it. When they’re there you’re trying to keep them by making it compelling or troubling in different ways, but they’ll inevitably go off and make tea or fall asleep.”

Online, people can drift in and out seamlessly, or be invisible “lurkers” who leave no trace. But in the live durational pieces, Etchells relishes the more confrontational absences. “When people leave it’s a gift as a performer. The sound of their footsteps, the fact that its sad, that creates a different atmosphere you can use.” Audience numbers have their own texture, too. “Sometimes we’ll have 50, sometimes 10: its so nice when there’s only 10. Those facts of who is in the room become very material if you’re not frightened of them, and they can become a very strong part of that work. Yes [audience members leaving] it’s a relinquishing and a loss, but you’re gaining a tremendous realness and presentness, and that’s an amazing thing.”

Forced Entertainment has been going on for a lot longer than many of their adult audience members (let alone the new child ones), circling round and building on similar themes as well as evolving online. They’re collecting 365 word messages to celebrate their 30th birthday. Etchells finds that “the thing that comes out a lot is this experience people report of coming into a theatre space not knowing what they’re going to find, and coming out changed with their sense of what’s possible in theatre and the world shifting. Sometimes that’s a very joyous experience, or sometimes it’s a frustrated and slightly annoyed ‘I don’t know what to do with this feeling’ which over days and years changes to ‘Oh it’s all shifted now or unlocked something inside’.”

It seems like people might be less surprised now – that expectations have shifted. Etchells tells me that “it has changed in the sense that in the 80s or 90s the conversation we had to have most was ‘Is this really theatre?’ or ‘Is this really acting?’ We don’t have to have that conversation so much anymore. The battle lines got pushed because the work so many people did in those years was about opening up theatre in those different ways, and now what’s possible is more open. Ideas that began in the experimental avant garde context have moved into the mainstream.”

The one thing that hasn’t changed, for Etchells, is that “in Britain I still feel like playwriting is the boss, and doing work in a devised way on the margins of theatre, is still slightly problematic in terms of the position it has, and the way it’s talked about.” He’s found a way round it, of sort, by infiltrating the contemporary art world that was already a key inspiration: he’s written about the influence of Tehching Hsieh‘s year-long performances on his durational work.

Quizoola

Quizoola

Now, Etchells has shifted to a point where “probably about 50% of my artistic work is happening away from theatres and performances. I find it very exciting the work is able to shift words and registers and contexts. It’s an opportunity to reach audiences and viewers in different ways; you’re not asking them to come and sit in theatre for an hour and a half. It’s finding different ways of opening contact with other people, like making neon signs many thousands of people will pass by.”

These include mundane phrases like “A stitch in time” hovering over the Londonderry skyline, no explanation or authorship offered. It seems, like the durational pieces, to be a way of relinquishing control. “The signs exist on many different levels. Some people will google it, some will see a work in public space like that and won’t necessarily know what it is, but maybe that phrase sticks with them for a week, or a month, or maybe they remember it a year later – you just don’t know and that’s what makes it so great, that you don’t know what they’ll do with it.”

There’s an analogy to be drawn between seeing a neon sign on the skyline and watching a few snippets of a Forced Entertainment stream – the internet is more of a public space than the theatre. Etchells explains that in the theatre “you have to make a kind of engagement, but art maybe opens that connection with them. Maybe some people tune in for five minutes and say ‘Bunch of twats I’ll watch something else,’ but some people will think they’ll watch for five minutes then watch for five hours – it’s the possibility to hook someone in.”

Getting to Forced Entertainment’s show at the Barbican might need a little more deliberate engagement – if only to navigate the route from the tube station – but Etchell concludes that “the art, internet streaming, and in a way making work for young people is a similar thing in terms of getting in contact with an audience that normally wouldn’t get to see what we’re up to. There’s a liberty or freedom making work for audiences that aren’t necessarily expecting a particular kind of thing – to open possibilities of theatre might be and how stories might be told. For most people, the first work of ours they see is at secondary school, university, or in their early twenties. It’s an interesting thing that with this show you’ll have your first Forced Entertainment experience at the age of seven. What does that do to you? We’ll see I suppose.”

William Drew on Quizoola 2013

 The Possible Impossible House runs at the Barbican Theatre, London, from December 17th-28th. Read more here.

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Alice Saville

Alice is editor of Exeunt, as well as working as a freelance arts journalist for publications including Time Out, Fest and Auditorium magazine. Follow her on Twitter @Raddington_B

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